Comments on: Footslogging on with CHaos Marines http://wargamerhaven.com/strategyandtactics/footslogging-on-with-chaos-marines Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:09:39 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: TGBO42 http://wargamerhaven.com/strategyandtactics/footslogging-on-with-chaos-marines/comment-page-1#comment-535 TGBO42 Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:34:43 +0000 http://wargamerhaven.com/?p=160#comment-535 Hey, in a footslogging list, deepstriking is about as good as mobility gets :P I have contemplated some Raptors, though. And hey, people fear the *potential* of pie plates of doom. even if the reality is that it usually isn't all that great over the course of a game. Hey, in a footslogging list, deepstriking is about as good as mobility gets :P I have contemplated some Raptors, though.

And hey, people fear the *potential* of pie plates of doom. even if the reality is that it usually isn’t all that great over the course of a game.

]]> By: Raptor1313 http://wargamerhaven.com/strategyandtactics/footslogging-on-with-chaos-marines/comment-page-1#comment-534 Raptor1313 Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:32:44 +0000 http://wargamerhaven.com/?p=160#comment-534 Hmm. The double-Karmoon and double-daemons WOULD give you some more 'mobility' as it were, but it's still like 'Deathwing' mobility: You CAN be anywhere until you hit the table, but once you hit you're on foot. I think the DP survives that long for the reasons you said: people want to silence either the squads or the Oblits, and Prince Swolt isn't doing anything UNTIL he comes a-knockin' in melee. I think people fear the Defiler because it IS a battle cannon, and CAN crack tanks reasonably well. Plus, if you KO the big gun, you ALSO have to immobilize it, otherwise it's just going to Fleet into combat and it's only slightly less terrifying than a Soul Grinder to deal with in melee. Hmm. The double-Karmoon and double-daemons WOULD give you some more ‘mobility’ as it were, but it’s still like ‘Deathwing’ mobility: You CAN be anywhere until you hit the table, but once you hit you’re on foot.

I think the DP survives that long for the reasons you said: people want to silence either the squads or the Oblits, and Prince Swolt isn’t doing anything UNTIL he comes a-knockin’ in melee.

I think people fear the Defiler because it IS a battle cannon, and CAN crack tanks reasonably well. Plus, if you KO the big gun, you ALSO have to immobilize it, otherwise it’s just going to Fleet into combat and it’s only slightly less terrifying than a Soul Grinder to deal with in melee.

]]> By: TGBO42 http://wargamerhaven.com/strategyandtactics/footslogging-on-with-chaos-marines/comment-page-1#comment-533 TGBO42 Mon, 27 Apr 2009 04:36:33 +0000 http://wargamerhaven.com/?p=160#comment-533 Yeah, the oblits are probably getting phased out over time. They function much better with a defiler around instead of some havocs because the defiler draws way more fire. Amusingly, it rarely does as much damage as the havocs even if it stay the whole game, unless there's a Lash around. The Prince has actually made an impact in every game he's been in so far. He has yet to fail to reach melee at least once per game. After that pleasant reminder of his power, he gets bumped up the target priority list and the oblits get a breather :P He's also 15 points cheaper then the warptime sorcerer. The point of the Karmoon special (and maybe taking two of them) is to help overcome the limited mobility of the footslogging army. The icons are handy if around, but the termies would more likely be dropping far from the main army to hit behind enemy lines and start cracking tanks that are shelling me. 3 oblits did it against pathfinders and this is a cheaper tougher (if slightly less well-armed) version of the same. I could, in fact, drop the oblits entirely and then add 2 Karmoon specials and a 2nd 8-daemon squad with points left over to beef the HQ to the warptime sorcerer. I'm still playing around with ideas right now. Yeah, the oblits are probably getting phased out over time. They function much better with a defiler around instead of some havocs because the defiler draws way more fire. Amusingly, it rarely does as much damage as the havocs even if it stay the whole game, unless there’s a Lash around.

The Prince has actually made an impact in every game he’s been in so far. He has yet to fail to reach melee at least once per game. After that pleasant reminder of his power, he gets bumped up the target priority list and the oblits get a breather :P He’s also 15 points cheaper then the warptime sorcerer.

The point of the Karmoon special (and maybe taking two of them) is to help overcome the limited mobility of the footslogging army. The icons are handy if around, but the termies would more likely be dropping far from the main army to hit behind enemy lines and start cracking tanks that are shelling me. 3 oblits did it against pathfinders and this is a cheaper tougher (if slightly less well-armed) version of the same.

I could, in fact, drop the oblits entirely and then add 2 Karmoon specials and a 2nd 8-daemon squad with points left over to beef the HQ to the warptime sorcerer. I’m still playing around with ideas right now.

]]> By: Raptor1313 http://wargamerhaven.com/strategyandtactics/footslogging-on-with-chaos-marines/comment-page-1#comment-532 Raptor1313 Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:08:22 +0000 http://wargamerhaven.com/?p=160#comment-532 Much as I like the idea of Oblits, I think your proposed changes would go over better. The Oblits are just vulnerabler to high-strength, low-AP damage. The big Khorne squads probably WOULD work out better with the two meltas and combi-melta. The Chaos Glory Icon would help, but I'm not sure it's going to help so much in close combat. Depends on how much you lose combat by. Re-rolling Ld7-8? Not so bad. Re-rolling 5 or 6? Then it's worse. You're still not melee specialists, but you ARE a cut above the average joe with the power armor and 2 attacks per guy. I do like the idea of more Havocs. You have good range on them, though a more nimble enemy might make you move 'em out here and there to get good line of sight. I also like the idea of dropping the DP...he DOES tend to die, and he may or may not make an impact. I'd probably go with the warp-time sorc, just because it's the most cost-effective melee HQ you can find in the 'dex. the Karmoon special isn't bad, but it's still as sacrificial as anything in your army. Since you're footslogging, there's the real chance they won't be coming in at a good time/place. It's still got to be dealt with, but I feel like a mech army would be better able to deliver the merchandise. STill, all that plasma WOULD be painful. Much as I like the idea of Oblits, I think your proposed changes would go over better. The Oblits are just vulnerabler to high-strength, low-AP damage.

The big Khorne squads probably WOULD work out better with the two meltas and combi-melta. The Chaos Glory Icon would help, but I’m not sure it’s going to help so much in close combat. Depends on how much you lose combat by. Re-rolling Ld7-8? Not so bad. Re-rolling 5 or 6? Then it’s worse. You’re still not melee specialists, but you ARE a cut above the average joe with the power armor and 2 attacks per guy.

I do like the idea of more Havocs. You have good range on them, though a more nimble enemy might make you move ‘em out here and there to get good line of sight.

I also like the idea of dropping the DP…he DOES tend to die, and he may or may not make an impact. I’d probably go with the warp-time sorc, just because it’s the most cost-effective melee HQ you can find in the ‘dex.

the Karmoon special isn’t bad, but it’s still as sacrificial as anything in your army. Since you’re footslogging, there’s the real chance they won’t be coming in at a good time/place. It’s still got to be dealt with, but I feel like a mech army would be better able to deliver the merchandise. STill, all that plasma WOULD be painful.

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